A recent study has some exciting results. In fact, it strongly indicates the discovery of dinosaur DNA! I would be curious to hear some thoughts on this: @burrawang @burrawang @windar12q @S.M.S. @cwh @T_aquaticus @Kirk Peters @ekrause1406 @knelst @patricktnj @jammycakes.
Here is a link to the original study:
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwz206/5762999
Here is a link to one of Jay Wile's blog posts discussing it:
https://blog.drwile.com/no-other-explanation-dinosaur-dna/#more-24138
Dinosaur DNA should not exist after 65 million years.
In fact Dinosaur DNA should not exist even after ten thousand years.
The widely recognised and now non-disputed demonstrable fact is that it does exist!
The most obvious clear straightforward explanation is that the assumption that it is 65 million years old is incorrect.
The time frame outlined in the Bible is wholly consistent with Dinosaur DNA existing inside Dinosaur bones today and as the world-wide collection of Dinosaur DNA is rapidly increasing. The only rational, sensible conclusion is that Dinosaurs were alive not very long ago.
Again, evolution is a falsified theory through what we now know from the science discipline of Genetics.
Evolution only remains in place because and only because of the religious zeal of its adherents; i.e. those people that will defend evolution no matter what is rigorously proven that falsifies it.
I believe that this is because they are not willing in their hearts to recognise that the Living God of the Bible exists and there is no other cogent alternative theory on offer, so evolution is their only choice, even after it has been falsified.
Many of evolution's loyal followers refuse to accept that Jesus is the Creator, our Saviour and our Lord. They do this despite the clear implications from discoveries like Dinosaur DNA and Genetic Entropy that again clearly demonstrate that the Biblical time frame can be trusted.
The evolution believers ignore the fact that the Biblical time frame is absolutely consistent with rigorously performed, repeatable operational science, empirically obtained results from the analysis of soft tissue in Dinosaur Bones that show Dinosaur DNA fragments have survived and also in Genetics that unambiguously demonstrates that the mutation rate is way far too rapid for life to have existed for as long as we are expected to believe as told by the followers of evolution that count evolution in billions of years in an attempt to make particles to people evolution plausible.
Just an observation, but you may want to research the sheer number of Christian people (scientists, engineers, doctors, laborers, businessmen, etc.) throughout history who made significant advancements and improvements in this world. As Christians, we certainly aren't looking for an escape from this world, nor are we just waiting around for salvation in the world to come. That eternal salvation from our sin and our death has already been accomplished for us in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Windar12q, as I see it, there are only two kinds of people in this world. Those who trust in Jesus and His promises, and those who trust in something else. Everybody trusts in something. That is simply a fact. Christians trust in Jesus and you trust in something else. Unfortunately, that "something else" will not avail for you when it is your time to die. Jesus will. His resurrection from the dead proves it.
My grandfather used to say, "You can' really live, until you first know how to die." He was a man of few words, but when he said something, we all sat up and took notice because it was something very important. Grandpa's point is this: If you aren't prepared to die rejoicing in the new and eternal life that Christ has already given you in THIS life, then you aren't really living at all. You're merely existing. And that's not much of a life. I continue to keep you in my daily prayers, and hope that you are well.
The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom. 6:23). We all die because we all sin. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). But, "God demonstrates His own love for us in this, that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Rom 5:8).
Jesus said, "Whoever looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the Last Day." (John 6:40) With the overwhelming empirical evidence that Christ's tomb was empty on that first Easter, it is obvious that Jesus has the power to make good on this promise! And so, because Jesus walked out of His grave, one day we will walk out of ours.
This is God's promise to you, too, windar12q. And no matter how complicated you try to make things, it really is as simple as that. I just don't understand why you would refuse such a beautiful gift as everlasting life. At 87 years old, it seems to me that time may be running out for you. I continue to keep you in my daily prayers.
With kindest regards, Steve (SMS)
Sorry windar12q, but equating thermodynamic laws with life reaching intelligence and stating simplistic equations such as evolution equals energy and mass plus energy equals zero is if I am bluntly honest, 'nonsensical'.
The decision of whether or not you believe in God's existence is ultimately a matter of your heart and is a spiritual decision as much as it is a conscious one that has eternal ramifications. It is vital that you read the Bible with an open heart and mind and ask God to make Himself known to you.
I truly hope that your eyes are opened to the profound truth of the good news in the gospels that we are all sinners who need the free gift of salvation provided for all of us by Jesus our Creator, Lord and Saviour.
We are all here in this world for such a short time. Our lives fly past and the passage of time seems to accelerate as we get older. Whilst there is breath in each of us there is still time to call out to the Living God with a contrite heart and accept His gift of salvation.
All the very best windar12q.
Yours sincerely,
Jon (Burrawang)
windar12q, I hope that you are able to watch the whole documentary before it ends early on Monday morning in your part of the globe.
In advance I apologise if this offends you but what you have written makes no sense to me at all and is clearly not based on empirical science of any shape or form.
It is crystal clear to me that all people are aware of the existence of God through what has been created though denial and unbelief in God's existence causes a blindness to what is plainly seen.
It is exceedingly obvious that everything has been purposefully designed but it is in man’s heart, that the denial of God manifests, such that those that choose not to believe in God’s existence will replace God with any number of alternatives to fill the void, just as long as they don’t have to acknowledge God’s existence!
Many use their intellect, historical science (through a biased worldview), eastern mysticism, new age beliefs, astrology, money, greed, selfishness, you name it, whatever comes to their fancy people will use to refuse to recognise the one and only Living God who created this universe, time and us and who is holding it all in existence right now. It is a spiritual matter, the intellectual arguments can only go so far to lead a person to the truth, but in the end it is always between God and the person. God knows everyone’s heart. He alone is the Saviour of humanity, just as He is also the Creator of humanity.
I sincerely hope and pray that you will come know the Lord Jesus who loves you and died on the cross for all of us and paid the penalty of death that His righteousness demands, He alone is faithful and true. Ultimately the decision to believe or disbelieve in God and His free gift of Salvation has eternal consequences for every one of us in the family of man.
Hi windar12q,
there is still time to watch this doco, all you need to do is click on the hyperlink and the film can be watched for free right up until 4:59 am on Monday, 12th October 2020 (BST - UK).
I encourage you to click on the link and watch this documentary.
To watch this documentary.
Click on the following link below in blue text: https://creation.com/dismantled-movie
All the very best,
Burrawang
Hi windar12q, there is still plenty of time for you to watch the film as it is available to watch at anytime for free this whole weekend only.
This documentary film runs for 1 hour 33 minutes 44 seconds.
Just click on the link: https://creation.com/dismantled-movie
and watch the film anytime on Saturday or Sunday. The time the film will cease to be available for you in Scotland at 4:59 am on Monday, 12th October.
London, United Kingdom
For you, the film is only available to watch for free ANYTIME BETWEEN:
5:00 AM, on Friday Oct 9 2020 to 4:59 AM, on Monday Oct 12 2020 (BST)
All the very best,
Burrawang
Hi ekrause1406,
I was impressed likewise by the Adam and Eve historical timeline account in the Bible being consistent with what we are now able to see in Genetics.
I also liked the section on Genome deterioration.
Geneticist, Dr. John Sanford coined the relatively new term Genetic Entropy to describe the incessant build up of mutational errors in the DNA that are not removed by natural selection because most of their effects are neutral or far too small to be selected out of the population, thus they persist each generation causing an ever increasing loss of specified complexity in the genomes of all life on this amazing planet; this is the exact opposite of what is required for evolution to be a plausible theory let alone even possible.
This scientifically derived irrefutable fact effectively falsifies evolution.
A shopkeeper that loses money on every transaction won't stay in business very long; likewise a genome that constantly loses complex specified information at the conservative rate quoted in the film of only 100 point (single nucleotide letters) mutations per generation will become less fit quite rapidly and eventually will become extinct.
This is precisely what is being observed by geneticists all over the globe.
Any competent geneticist that has access to modern equipment for reading DNA code in samples can repeat the analysis and arrive at the same obvious conclusion.
There is absolutely no way around this fact. Evolution is a falsified theory.
Of course the devout followers of the 'evolution religion' will not accept this fact and will do as they have always done, will move the goalposts, massage the theory and try and explain it all away with yet another dreamed up 'just so story', but nonetheless the rigorously derived and repeatable scientific facts are now available for all to see.
I have often wondered if the increase in the list of genetic diseases that now stands at around 250 diseases/disorders is caused by the inexorably increasing genetic burden that affects us all. If it is the case that this increase is due to the genetic entropy in our genomes, which I believe is highly likely, then the future for mankind is not at all positive from a genetic perspective. The beginning of this decay of our genetic material began at the fall in the garden of Eden. As a consequence Adam and Eve would have started out with perfect genomes, no errors at all. Since that time the genomes of all humanity has been deteriorating towards error catastrophe that lies at some point in the future and this is exactly what we are observing right now in the present; a steady decline in complex specified information on the genomes of all living things on Earth.
The only solution is of course, Salvation through Jesus Christ our Creator, our Lord and Saviour. The Bible can be trusted as the inerrant God breathed Word of truth that it is from Genesis to Revelation.
I'm reminded of the wonderful words in the song, "Jesus is the Answer for the world today, above Him there's no other, Jesus is the way"!!!
Yes ekrause1406, geneticist Dr. Robert Carter sums it up very well, "interesting".
Hello everyone! Thank you for telling us about the documentary, @burrawang. I just watched some of it.
****This post contains spoilers!****
Some of it was information I had learned about before, such as the description of why evolution will never have enough time to produce enough mutations to form a new species, especially given the frequency of harmful mutations.
However, one of my favorite parts was about the discovery of Y-Chromosome Adam and Mitochondrial Eve. Researchers have been able to trace the DNA in the Y-chromosome of people around the world to one male ancestor and the DNA in their mitochondria to one woman ancestor. This is consistent with the Biblical account of Adam and Eve being the first humans. Both evolutionists and creationists agree that Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam existed; the only debate is about what this means. I looked at several other online sources about the evolutionary view, and they believe that these individuals are our most recent common ancestors, but not our only ancestors. The evolutionary interpretation is that genetic drift caused the other mitochondrial DNAs and Y-chromosomes to die out (coalescent theory). However, according to the video this assumption is based on random mating (all humans having an equal likelihood of marrying all other humans), which is probably not a true assumption because humans live in separate population groups. According to the other sources I looked at, evolutionary scientists believe that the diversity in our non-sex chromosomes should be explained by a population of about 10,000 ancestors, not just two. However, as the video describes, humans can be extremely heterozygous, which means that one person can carry alleles for many different traits in their DNA all at once. If we make the very reasonable assumption that both Adam and Eve were created as heterozygous individuals, it is a good explanation of the diversity that we see today.
I also loved the quote at the end from Dr. Robert Carter (from 1:29:00 - 1:30:18) about how the evolutionary model keeps getting closer to what the Bible says.
Are you going to watch it, @windar12q? I would be interested to know your thoughts since you don't follow the mainstream interpretation of evolution.
Hi windar12q, thank you for your good wishes. I haven't as yet seen the film but it will be released tomorrow, that is Friday Australian Eastern Daylight Time at 3:00 pm, so I'll hold on any comments until after I've viewed the documentary that has been made by several well respected scientists who have large numbers of published peer reviewed papers and patents one of the scientists is a world leading Geneticist who has been a Professor at Cornell University for over 25 years.
I am really looking forward to hearing the latest rigorously performed repeatable science that falsifies evolution in all its forms and permutations as an impossible process that should be relegated back to the century around the 1850's where it belongs as another of man's feeble attempts to explain origins without God; which of course is futile, because it is clear to all from what has been created that the one and only Living God exists and is right now holding the whole of creation in existence. Whether individuals admit it to themselves or not they know God exists!
Natural selection is a real phenomenon, but it only results in differential reproduction within a population, it does not , I repeat does NOT create novel information.
As I have stated many times previously, at best natural selection can be looked upon as having a conservative function that to a very small degree slows the inexorable loss of complex specified genetic information every generation in the genomes of all life on this planet. It cannot do anything more than that. The bait and switch usage of natural selection by evolutionists as some sort of magic bullet that, hey presto, explains evolution is a shameful and deceitful fraud that needs to be called out every time it is employed to hoodwink the masses, a ploy which it has used unfortunately successfully I must add, for far too long.
This new documentary will set the record straight once and for all. Any competent Geneticist from anywhere around the world can repeat the experiments to verify the clear fact that evolution is a scientifically falsified theory.
Hi All, I thoroughly recommend watching this strikingly revealing film: - 'Dismantled Evolution' -- ‘A Scientific Deconstruction of the Theory of Evolution’ There will be a FREE one-time weekend premiere of this movie that can only be viewed at anytime BETWEEN 3:00 PM on Friday, Oct 9 to 2:59 PM on Monday, Oct 12 (Australian AEDT) NOTE: Times for other countries are listed at the short Film Trailer link below; but in all countries it will be available to watch for free this weekend. A short Film Trailer is at: https://creation.com/dismantled-movie From the page at the link, the following text can be found: - A scientific deconstruction of evolution Education systems and the media have repeatedly told us that humans and all living creatures evolved from a single-celled organism through random copying errors in the DNA (called mutations) and the reproductive filter of natural selection. This allegedly occurred over billions of years through unguided natural processes. Furthermore, we are told that the fossil record leaves no doubt that mankind evolved from ape-like creatures. Famous atheists like Richard Dawkins and Bill Nye tell us that we need to face the facts—we’re nothing more than an organized assemblage of biomolecules: there is no ultimate basis for morality, no ultimate meaning to life, no free will, and no life after death; humans have no soul and we will never stand before God to give an account for our lives. As Dawkins says, “DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” But what if the story we’ve been told about our alleged evolutionary ancestry is wrong, and the latest findings from modern genetics effectively falsify it? Would you believe it? The documentary can only be viewed for free at the same link this weekend only. https://creation.com/dismantled-movie
Every day is a good day for 6-day creationism and this news just adds to that fact. How could it get any better? Well, we creationists have our hands full trying to explain the way they date the rock, but I am optimistic that within a decade or two the truth will somehow begin to emerge that *all lava flows* that are used to date sedimentary rock will be found to be so overwhelmingly overstated that the obvious conclusion will be that they are all young - around 4500 years young and occurring at or near Noah's Flood. And for the universe? Well, that good news for the 6-day creationist is also probably just around the corner. Keep the faith! Things are going just as they are supposed to.
The obvious implication is that the dinosaur remains are only a few thousand years old at most. The imagined 65+ million years for the age of the dinosaurs is clearly a widely held illusion, that will likely take some years before it is ultimately accepted as having been experimentally and statistically falsified and discarded.
Common sense dictates that when verified dinosaur soft tissue and DNA fragments are found in unmineralised bone, the imagined evolutionary age is where the error lies, it's as simple as that!
There are no actual scientifically derived reasons that I am aware of to believe that the verified dinosaur soft tissue and DNA fragments are actually 65+ MA old; the "deep time" belief is wholly and solely the result of the mainstream academic predisposition to evolution mythology and the highly religious Darwinian dogma. It is only this predisposition that continues to propagate and reinforce this falsified theory.
It will become harder and harder to convince intelligent science students that evolution is how we came to be here in the face of the enormous body of evidence being produced by sound science that rigorously refutes evolution as an outdated, defunct and falsified theory.
The Bible can be trusted; the account of Creation and the global flood in Genesis are reliable historically and wholly consistent with what we observe today using operational science in fields such as geology, biology and astrophysics.
The global flood occurred about 4,500 years ago and the rapidly buried well preserved fossils of unmineralised dinosaur bone containing pliable soft tissues being discovered all over the world are entirely consistent with a global flood within the Biblical time frame whereas the unbelievable millions of years derived from the supposed evolutionary scenarios are leaving many scientists scratching their heads in sheer incredulity.
Hello there! This is quite a fascinating discovery. Who knows, scientists may soon have the technology to sequence the genome of a dinosaur from this DNA. I wonder what they would find: Would dinosaurs and birds really be as similar as scientist believe they are? Personally, I can't wait to find out.
That is an interesting theory about the demise of the dinosaurs, Windar12q. Do you believe the process is occurring in the same way today as species go extinct and new species are discovered, or do humans disrupt it? Some of the most common creationist theories about the fall of the dinosaurs include that they were unable to adapt to the radically different post-flood climate or that they were hunted to extinction by people who lived shortly after the flood.
I also appreciate Jay Wile. I'm not entirely sure that there will be refutation attempts (per se), but I am indeed curious to see how our evolutionist friends will respond to the discovery (and see if their explanations will ultimately stand up to scrutiny).
I forgot to tag @rspeir in the post above, so I think I shall do it here! @rspeir, I am very interested in hearing your take.
Wow! This will be an interesting discussion to follow. I've always appreciated Jay Wile's balanced approach and his thoughtful science. I'm curious to see the refutation attempts that will certainly abound. Thanks for sharing this!