The Goodness of God: The Bible and the Problem of Evil

Good evening windar12q! I am aware that there are indeed several interpretations of the problem of evil. I was wondering: How does your understanding of the problem related to your statements on previous forum pages that evil was necessary to know good?

As for the claim that evil comes from God, I found an article that has a very helpful analogy. https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/confronting-the-problems-of-evil To summarize, God's relationship to our world is like an author's relationship to his story. The author is responsible in a sense for the hardships the characters face, but it would be ridiculous to accuse the author of being a terrible person for writing these hardships into the story. On the contrary, we praise the authors who write these books. Even though the author is the creator of the characters, it is the characters whom we hold responsible for their actions. However, unlike any human writer, God Himself enters our story. God spoke to the prophets, protected His people, punished evil and rewarded good, lived among us as Jesus, died a real death in our place, and fully came back to life.

I would also recommend reading Psalm 139. It is very relevant to understanding the sovereignty of God over all things (and has been an encouragement to me).

Hi windar12q, we will have to agree to disagree

I have said what I have said. It seems to me that we are talking past each other, and it would appear that there is nothing to be gained by either side because of this.

Furthermore, we have strayed a long way from the subject of this forum, "The Goodness of God; The Bible and the Problem of Evil", which I did initially contribute to back on 23rd January 2020.

As much as it is interesting to discuss what we each believe, unfortunately, I do not have much spare time for the to and fro that hasn't really progressed this forum on the goodness of God.

Ultimately, we will all know the whole truth when our spirits leave our bodies and we stand before God.

You would do well to look past the prejudices you hold against God and read the New Testament or to start with, the gospel of John, with an open heart and mind, to understand who Jesus is. You might be surprised what you come to realise.

I wish you all the best, and sincerely hope that you will come to know our Lord and Saviour.

Burrawang

Hi windar12q, I hope that you are well and the winter hasn’t been too severe.

Regarding your last post. Whatever way you wish to look at the problem, (if evolution was true) for evolution to create all the species of life that have ever lived on this planet, a mechanism is absolutely required to write the novel information onto each new creature’s deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA).

To explain what I mean in a little more detail for greater clarity: - the supposed first cell necessarily immediately required the ability to reproduce to pass on its genetic information to the next generation and every generation since then to the present time. This information is written in coded language form on the DNA. As each new species appeared (on the imaginary tree of life in the evolution story), new complex specified information is necessarily required to be written simultaneously onto the DNA of each new species genome; in fact it is a bit of a chicken and egg situation, as the new information recorded onto the DNA needs to be present at the formation of the new species as the ‘blueprint’ for its initial creation so that it can pass on its own genetic information to its descendants.

Now it is well established from the science of information theory that novel complex specified information cannot write itself; it absolutely requires an intelligent author. There is no way around this readily demonstrated scientific fact. So there needs to be a cogent explanation as to how quoting your words the “intelligent energy in the brain of the more vulnerable creatures,” if I understand you correctly, is able to write the novel information on the DNA of each new “evolved” creature or plant. Let’s use some examples to explore this further. There are many threatened species here in Australia, but for our example let’s choose the threatened “Green and Golden Bell Frog” (Litoria aurea). You are therefore saying that when this specie evolved, (came into existence), ‘the energy in the brain of this vulnerable creature’ is the intelligence that wrote all the new coded specified complex information (that makes this frog unique) onto the DNA Hydrogen bridges between the sugar ribose strands at the molecular scale using the nucleotide chemical letters, that have been named cytosine, guanine, adenine and thymine. Furthermore, this same process necessarily must occur at every of the imagined billions of steps along the supposed evolutionary pathway to ever greater complexity culminating with the enormously complex form of life, mankind.

So, what you have not told us is how, using your words, “evolution is engineered by the energy that serves a biological species." What you also need to explain is how the energy is engineered to drive the “evolution”.

Regarding your statement, “I would look more closely at the properties of energy and the laws that govern its pattern, you will find its pattern matches that of evolution. This is something that can be demonstrated, so my challenge to you is, demonstrate your God in the same way.” I understand some of the properties of energy, but I do not see where you have "demonstrated” what you are claiming to be fact. What laws are you referring to, and what is the pattern to which you refer that matches evolution?

It is not sufficient to simply say you have demonstrated your point and expect people to accept it, science doesn’t work that way, a cogent reasoned explanation is needed.

You are correct about one thing, we don’t see clearly, but we will all see clearly when we depart this mortal world; this applies to every man, woman and child that has ever lived.

1 Corinthians 13:12 “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

I see that our worldviews differ considerably. As a consequence the way we each interpret the facts differs, each reflecting his own interpretive framework.

Also, unfortunately you continue to misrepresent the Bible and God; please don’t, as you are talking about your Creator who truly does love you. It is important to understand that we are saved by His grace, not by our own works: -

Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” there is nothing that we can do to earn salvation, it is the free gift from God to all of us.

I wish you well and sincerely hope that you reach out with a sincere heart for the truth, God is faithful and true to those that seek Him.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear My voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me.

All the best,

Burrawang

Hi windar12q, with respect I am compelled to point out that many of your assertions are anything but scientific. I have worked in science for about 50 years, indeed I used to analyse soil and rock samples to determine their precise chemical composition using an atomic absorption spectrophotometer (at the University of New South Wales, Kensington, Sydney campus) that was then state of the art technology in the 1970’s and up until last year I have been performing rigorous scientific analysis of habitats, ecosystems and threatened species populations here in Australia, so you could say I am qualified to say that I have more than a fair grasp of the scientific method and what constitutes real science.

I must admit that I do not know precisely what you believe, but from what you have told me in your numerous posts, I think I have a fair idea of the basics. You continually state in various ways that it is energy and quantum entanglement that directs evolution. If I understand you correctly, this would mean that for life to progress from the first cell or cells in the uphill direction necessary towards the wide diversity of species that we see today, it is energy that has been guiding and writing the brilliant design blueprints on the DNA of all creatures and plants.

Now maybe I’m missing something but the last time I looked at energy, it did not display intelligence, lets look at a few examples of energy; when a candle is lit, the chemical energy in the paraffin wax is released as infra-red and light energy but I do not see how it can be seen as intelligent? When I fill up my car with petrol (gas for the Americans), I do not detect any intelligence from the stored chemical energy in the fuel, when I see the sun and feel its heat energy on my skin I do not detect intelligence from that energy itself!

What I do see is the hand of the Creator in all these things. The one and only living God of the Bible is the Creator, He is known as the Logos, the Word, Jesus Christ, the Son, and many more names but they all refer to the one same Creator. It is not a matter of scale either, I sense that you will protest and say that it is all the energy everywhere that directs evolution, not just small pieces of energy here and there, and that is where you think that quantum entanglement allows a connection between energy at different locations.

The fact of the matter is that quantum physics is usually working with sub-atomic particles. The scale of evolution is in the biosphere, the world at the scale of animals and plants, not billions of times smaller at the sub-atomic particle scale.

I say this with humility and gentleness but it must be said; the whole evolution story truly is fiction, and many people who do not appear to see the glaring and scientifically demonstrable impossibility of evolution, cling to it as their justification for rejecting the one true God. It is as though they are willingly ignorant or blind to the obvious.

Again, while there is still time, I will pray that you come to know and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life. He is the only way that we all must be saved!

Windar12q, you need to understand that energy is not intelligent and it is most definitely not capable of writing the staggeringly brilliant, highly complex coded and incredibly varying information on the DNA of the millions of radically different genomes specific to each specie on this planet!

The author of the information written nucleotide by nucleotide in sequence with syntax on the hydrogen bridges between the ribose sugar strands of the DNA double helix requires a designer who is incomprehensibly brilliant; Jesus Christ is His name!

All the best,

Burrawang

Hello windar12q! What do you mean when you say that life changes its form but is not lost?

I find that I agree with the idea that life will never be destroyed, just with a different emphasis. One name for God is the Living God, and I stopped for a while to meditate on this truth. He, who is the most alive of anything that exists, chose to give us life; and not just a few decades on this earth followed by being dead forever. God promises us life to the fullest, for eternity:

18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect....23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. - 1 Peter 1:18-19,23 (there are verses in between, so I encourage reading the full passage. We are given new life the moment we trust in Jesus)

Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. - John 6:44 (a promise of the resurrection)

Going back a few posts, I read this statement:

"The supernatural does not exist because it cannot be proven to exist."

I have to disagree with this reasoning. Just because we don't have the tools to scientifically prove something doesn't mean it is false. In your example of relativity and quantum physics, was quantum physics false before we began to discover it? Or in another example, did microorganisms not exist until we could see them with microscopes? Living here on earth we do not have the tools to see God in His full glory, we know Him by faith (2 Corinthians 5:7), but we will be able to see God in heaven.

Windar12q Hi windar12q, please accept my apologies for getting your age wrong!

I don’t think any one of us fully gets over severe trauma such as losings one’s life partner or living through the 1940’s in the UK or all the other wars around the world since then, the memories do remain. I am heartened that you have family; I have four grandchildren myself and know what a wonderful blessing they are.

It is important to understand that evolution is not “natural selection”.

Natural selection occurs within individual species, but after natural selection has transpired no new information on the DNA of the specie has been created, indeed it invariably means that a quantity of complex coded information is lost forever; most of these mutations (or copying errors) in the DNA are of too small significance to be selectable at the macro survival/reproductive level, and so have little to zero real effect, but the inexorable combined mutational load (destruction of complex coded information) is continually increasing.

The complex specified information on the damaged DNA cannot be rewritten, the probability of it rewriting itself correctly by chance at all the levels required for full restoration far exceeds the likelihood of the analogy I gave previously of the entire works of Shakespeare or Walter Scott or Robert Louis Stevenson or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle or all four combined for that matter, being written by a flock of pigeons walking around on an open laptop keyboard; it is theoretically possible but you and I both know that the probability is so enormous that it just isn’t going to happen. The loss of information can impart a benefit to the specie at its location, and it may reproduce successfully and pass on its reduced complex specified information genome to subsequent generations and become fixed in the broader population, but nonetheless information is continually being lost every time this happens. The very rare directly beneficial mutations are outweighed enormously by neutral or deleterious mutations.

A repeatedly demonstrable scientific fact is that evolution meaning from first cell to human beings over any time period is an impossibility, it is demonstrably a grand illusion.

The sooner universities and schools start teaching the truth that the outdated mid nineteenth century theory of evolution is a false paradigm the better. To continue to adhere to it does no-one any good, it does not further scientific endeavour, in fact it stifles it!

So many people around the world are mentally blinded by the evolution lie; it is staggering that the clear rigorously determined sound scientific facts are unable to dislodge many peoples dearly held conviction that evolution is a proven process.

This fact uncovers the real truth that evolution is held in the hearts of many of its followers with religious fervour though they would all deny that, claiming scientific objectivity, but there it is, the truth, plain and simple, evolution is a mythology that I suggest was explicitly designed to explain how the biodiversity on earth originated without God.

Again, while there is still time, I pray that you come to know and have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life.

Jesus is the only way through which we all must be saved!

Best Regards,

Burrawang

Hi windar12q, I am saddened to hear of the loss of your wife and sincerely hope that you are not alone but have some companionship in your life. You are doing a great job mastering this new communication technology, I’m sure there would be many 91 year old’s who would not have the faintest idea about how to even turn on a computer let alone debate and converse on a creation/evolution website as you do!

On reading your post and your discussion about “dreams”, I am reminded of some very relevant and important articles that provide alternate explanations to these phenomena, you may care to read at: -

https://creation.com/aliens-evolution-and-the-occult titled “Aliens, evolution and the occult” by Gary Bates that was published 24th February 2007

https://creation.com/an-impossible-dreamfor-an-atheist titled “An ‘impossible’ dream – for an Atheist” by David Catchpoole that was published 15th August 2008

https://creation.com/are-ghosts-real titled “Are ghosts real?” by Gary Bates that was published 28th December 2010

I would encourage you to read the above three articles as I think that you would find them very informative, given your lifetimes experience and interests.

My father was a pilot with the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) based in England from 1940 to 1945, I guess when you were likely a lot more spritely than you are now; and fortunately he survived the war, hence I am here now. As you would have been a teenager during those war years, I am sure that you would have considerable insight into that terrible time in history and man’s inhumanity towards man.

I must restate what I have said one way or another previously, that: -

1.) without God we would not exist

2.) evolution is one of the greatest hoax’s ever perpetrated on the human race

I wish you well and will pray that you come to know our Lord and Saviour Jesus who is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Burrawang

Windar12q, Hi windar12q, apology accepted!

Well we have strayed a fair way from the theme of this particular forum titled "The Goodness of God: The Bible and the Problem of Evil" but I guess we are still well within the parameters of debate for this website and the evolution/creation discussion is relevant in many ways even if it should probably be located on another forum on this site.

In order to respond to your post accurately and concisely as I am able, I will address each paragraph by quoting your text in italics and will then respond on any matters that I feel are relevant or need clarification or refutation.

Your statements: -

“Hello burrawang, I apologise because I did get it the wrong way around when referring to the Bible giving the wrong information regarding the time of the flood; it was you who said that the sedimentary strata matched the time of the flood. If you read Dr Lycklama's research into this you will find it impossible to dictate the time correctly and I did point this out to you at the time of answering, but you said that my answer was ridiculous, perhaps you will refer to Dr Lycklama's work in the same way, because he agrees with me.”

Unfortunately and as is your usual practice, you make these statements but fail to quote or reference the text that you are referring to; I do not recall saying, “the sedimentary strata matched the time of the flood” those are your words not mine. What I have said on numerous occasions is that what we see around the world are enormous continental scale and larger areas of sedimentary rocks that are consistent with the historical record of the great flood recorded in Genesis in the Bible. There is a vast difference between the two statements. The point that I have been making all along is that it is not possible to accurately determine the age of a sample that was created in the distant past unless you have an eye witness who can act as a means of calibration and verification of the age determination process you are using, as all "deep-time" dating methods rely on a set of unproveable assumptions that cannot be tested, they must be assumed, and if they are assumed within a long age, evolutionary worldview then the age results will obviously reflect that, if the data is looked at through a Biblical worldview then the age results will obviously reflect that; the question really is which worldview is the correct one through which to view the data we have available. I assert that that the Biblical worldview is consistent with what we see in the world around us, that's all.

Your statements: -

“There are many forms of transition relating to evolution and you don't have to go to a museum to see this; the Galapagos cormorant is at this moment going through these changes - a real live transition happening before our very eyes. This Galapagos species is changing because it suits as its environment dictates and the chemical reaction within the genome will change to allow this to happen. The difference between us is, you believe it is the work of a God and I think it is the work of nature. I can demonstrate what I say, but can you? The answer to this question for you is no, because you have already admitted that you only rely on faith. These changes would occur in the individual species, but if life is evolving as one energy, the changes are not just happening to fit the species that is changing, but too fit all life. If this was not the case, life could change to something that might be harmful to its evolving and destroy all that work done over billions of years - what a waste of time that would have been. The physics that lays down the laws of energy can demonstrate the pattern of evolution; there is no need for a God, so why invent one?”

I believe that I have already pointed out with references to articles that the Galapagos Cormorant is most definitely not a transitional specie on another forum on this website, and it is necessary to reiterate that this species of bird is not an example of evolution in practice. You keep on saying that you demonstrate what you say, but rarely if at all do you in truth actually demonstrate what you say. It’s as though you believe that if you continue to say you demonstrate what you say, your readers will believe you.

It is worthwhile reiterating what nuclear physicist Dr Heinz Lycklama has stated again: - “Evolution is the greatest myth ever foisted on our society in the name of science."

Your statements: -

“If I asked you the same question put in a different way, such as what is responsible for these changes, you would say God, which spells out the end game and nowhere else to go. My answer would be I don't know, which would spur me on to explore more until I got an answer. Which of these two answers is the most intelligent? My reply would engineer purpose and purpose is the food on which intelligence feeds - no purpose, no us. Can't you see that religion is destroying the very thing that evolution dictates for our survival? This is why I wrote about the world, being ruled by one religion, it would destroy intelligent life because it would destroy constructive purpose.”

Again, your reasoning is fraught with assumptions and over simplifications. If you want to present an argument with actual evidence, then please do it! Please do not just continue to only present what your worldview dictates you believe are the weaknesses in the creation position without justification; it is becoming tiresome and pointless. Quotes and references are in most cases essential to back up what you are claiming, if you claim to be using sound science to substantiate your position; your opinion although interesting is not sufficient without referenced evidence, quotes or links to mainstream accepted peer reviewed papers on the subject etc..

Your statements: -

“I strongly disagree that you should not teach evolution in schools, why would you prefer to teach religion which goes against all that nature is telling us, which is imperative to our survival, surely you have to teach the truth? You admit your weakness by saying you rely solely on faith and that is not using logic, to put it bluntly, it is the logic of the madhouse. It means you would be teaching children about something you have no evidence for, only faith. Faith is a 50/50 guessing game, if you have no demonstrable evidence and a book that's not demonstrative, it should not be used as evidence. Frankly burrawang, I find this disgraceful.”

You are free to believe that teaching a proven myth as science to our children is alright but I for one know that it is tragic and wrong that evolution is being taught as the mechanism for how all the biodiversity on earth came to be here. In truth it is mass brainwashing of our children that is having a devastating effect on the mental health of many, with youth suicide rates escalating dramatically as young people believe the evolution lie without hope. It is truly a tragedy on a global scale and evolution has played a significant role in that escalation in youth suicide rates globally! Large sections of the secular mass media act as the propagandists continually, reinforcing the lie that is still being taught in schools, colleges and universities around the world.

Additionally, you can claim that I admit a "weakness", however, I say to you that I do nothing of the sort, and furthermore your statement is a logical fallacy. Just because a person has faith in God, it does not logically follow that they leave their brain in neutral, parked outside. Faith is strengthened by using one’s intellect, it is not weakened, it is strengthened!

“I see the fires have started again, take care,”

Yes, the fires are becoming a bit of a worry again, particularly for those poor souls down south around Canberra which is about 450 miles or more than 700 kilometres south of here, so we are indeed fortunate at present, thanks for your good wishes. Hopefully rain will come soon down there.

Again, I must repeat the main point from last post, all we see is that existing organism’s genomes are heading in a downhill, degenerative direction towards extinction!

That is an irrefutable, observable and statistical scientific fact!

Evolution is nothing more than a myth, it is an impossibility, a hoax perpetrated on mankind now for over 150 years and it’s already beyond the time for this egregious deception to be exposed for the fraud that it is, masquerading as science when the theory has been disproven time after time as an impossibility.

Best Regards,

Burrawang

windar12q Regarding statements made in your last post,within your first paragraph you stated: -

“but if I recall, you said the flood matches with the time - zone mentioned in the Bible; even by Dr Lycklama's own words, this is impossible. I think I said the same thing; this is a perfect example of how religion makes you tell untruths and the same applies to some of what Dr Lycklama says also. This proves the Bible was lying about the time and you have an academic Christian to prove this to be true.”

The above quoted text of yours is not only utter nonsense, I have never referred to any "time-zone mentioned in the Bible" indeed I am not aware of any such thing in the Bible but you do appear to have no problem putting words into my mouth without actually quoting what was said, and then you are basing your point on this same fiction of your own making. A disingenuous tactic that is worthy of disdain!

Reading that brilliant article again ( https://creation.com/lycklama-nuclear-physicist ) about very highly regarded brilliant specialist in experimental nuclear physics Dr Heinz Lyclama, I note that he is quoted as saying, “Evolution is the greatest myth ever foisted on our society in the name of science.”

And Dr Lycklama points out: -

“All attempts by evolutionists to show that first life from non-life by natural processes can be explained by evolution have come to naught for four main reasons:

1. The Law of Biogenesis discovered by Pasteur in 1864.

2. The failure of experiments like that of Miller in 1953 to show that life can come from non-life.

3. The mathematical probability of forming the first living cell by random chance processes is beyond possible, and

4. Information in a cell (DNA) requires an intelligent mind.”

The failure of the origin of first life from non-life by natural processes is actually a showstopper for evolution.

And that is the point, despite billions of dollars in research grants that has been spent over the past five decades or so and still being spent around the world it is clear that life does not spontaneously come about by itself, that is now abundantly clear to anyone working in the research field of trying to prove abiogenesis.

Furthermore, all we see is that existing organism’s genomes are heading in a downhill, degenerative direction towards extinction! That is an irrefutable, observable and statistical scientific fact!

That same article goes on to say: -

And even if we grant the first self-reproducing cell, it’s not the end of the problems. No one disputes that things change, but the small changes observed in nature just don’t add up to big changes. For one thing, they are going in the wrong direction: downhill instead of uphill. And, he points out, “the fossil record does not show the ‘innumerable transitional links’ expected by Darwin”— even 160 years later, and neither does it support human evolution.

That really sums up the observable facts very well!

I’m sorry to say this windar12q but it really does appear that you have missed the primary point being made that evolution is nothing more than a myth, it is an impossibility, a hoax perpetrated on mankind now for over 150 years and it’s already well and truly beyond the time for this egregious deception to be exposed for the fraud that it is, masquerading as science when the theory has been disproven time after time as an impossibility.

It is a sad thing that so many students who have been indoctrinated into the evolution cult myth will defend it tooth and nail arguing from the belief that what they have been taught and see reinforced daily on public media is actually science which it demonstrably is not; again as Dr Lyclama stated: - “Evolution is the greatest myth ever foisted on our society in the name of science.”

We see natural selection occurring all the time, but it is important to note that natural selection is NOT evolution, it is simply differential reproduction within a population, nothing more and nothing less. There aren't billions of transitional forms of creatures in the fossil record because they NEVER occurred, the transitional forms are just another part of the evolutionary myth.

The fanciful evolutionary tree of life is nothing more than more fanciful artwork propaganda to prop up the evolutionary paradigm. The real relationships between creatures and plants are better described using Biblical kinds rather than the much touted and referenced imaginary evolutionary tree of life. Doesn't it seem strange to you that we don't have at least a few million transitionary fossils in museum collections around the world. As with all evidence that refutes the evolutionary paradigm, a nice little story will be concocted and then everyone in academia will be expected to swallow it; and then it will be peddled in the mass media to make sure that no one strays from the "evolution religion", which is precisely what happens every year when new evidence arises that refutes evolution, again and again I have watched this happen over the past decade or three.

Thankfully, the tide is turning and the numbers of scientists and people in the community who understand that evolution is a myth is steadily growing.

It may well be one of those things that future generations look back to our time in history and wonder how so many in our scientific community and many clergy got it so wrong by teaching evolution theory as fact, when it demonstrably and so obviously isn't!

Indeed evolution is not even plausible given what we now know about the genetic entropy that is incessantly occurring throughout the animal and plant kingdoms; (Genetic Entropy is a term coined by Professor John Sanford who worked at Cornell university for 25 years. He is a brilliant pioneer in the field of genetics.) If you want to read more about John Sanford's work and Genetic Entropy see: - https://creation.com/geneticist-evolution-impossible

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I sincerely hope that you come to know God, have a personal relationship with Him; He is faithful and true and Loves you more than you could know.

All the best,

Burrawang

Hi windar12q, faith is most definitely not guessing!

Did you read the article that was published yesterday, 29th January 2020 at https://creation.com/lycklama-nuclear-physicist that is titled “Nuclear physicist for creation!” It is a very informative article and well worth the read!

The reason I cited those two articles is that they are currently just published in the last 24 hours; I wanted to demonstrate to you that they are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the thousands of practicing mainstream scientists around the world who: -

1.) know that “evolution” and the “big bang” are 100% fictional fairy stories

2.) believe that God created as recorded in the Bible, the world’s oldest history book.

But don’t take my word for it; take a look at one small example of working scientists on a broad range of disciplines who readily admit that the Biblical creation account is accurate/ The list of scientists can be found at https://creation.com/scientists-alive-today-who-accept-the-biblical-account-of-creation and is copied below: -

Dr Paul Ackerman, Assistant Professor of Psychology, Wichita State University.

Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics

Dr James Allan, Genetics

Dr John Ashton, Chemistry, Food technology

Dr Steve Austin, Geology

Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemistry

Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunology

Dr Don Batten, Plant physiology

Dr Donald Baumann, Solid State Physics, Professor of Biology and Chemistry, Cedarville University

Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics

Dr Élizabeth Beauchesne, Biomedical Sciences.

Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychology, Human Biology/Physiology

Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology

Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology

Dr Markus Blietz, Astrophysicist

Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biology

Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology

Dr Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry

Dr David Boylan, Chemical Engineering

Dr Bernard Brandstater, Anesthesiology

Prof. Stuart Burgess, Engineering and Biomimetics,

Professor of Design & Nature, Head of Department, Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK)

Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics

Dr Ben Carson, Professor and chief of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins University. He has 51 honorary doctorates, including from Yale and Columbia Universities.

Dr Robert W. Carter, Marine Biology

Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiology (read his story

Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics

Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics

Dr Ainsley Chalmers, Biochemist, medical researcher

Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering

Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering

Dr Xidong Chen, Solid State Physics, Assistant Professor of Physics, Cedarville University

Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemistry

Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education

Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering

Dr Harold Coffin, Paleontology

Dr Bob Compton, DVM, PhD

Dr Matthew Cserhati, Molecular Biology

Dr Ken Cumming, Biology

Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering

Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemistry

Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging

Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemistry

Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany

Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics

Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry

Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education

Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience

Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics

Dr Geoff Downes, Plant Physiology

Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research

Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research (more than 80 research papers)

Dr André Eggen, Genetics

Dr Leroy Eimers, Atmospheric Science,

Professor of Physics and Mathematics, Cedarville University

Dr Dudley Eirich, Molecular biologist

Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics

Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy

Dr Dennis Flentge, Physical Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry and Chair of the Department of Science and Mathematics, Cedarville University

Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology

Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry

Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology

Dr Kenneth W. Funk, Organic Chemistry; biologically active peptide synthesis.

Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science

Dr Roger G. Gallop, P.G., Geology

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Regarding a statement that you made in your comment, sorry, but an appeal to theoretical physics in energy/particle equations such as a Hamiltonian or Lagrangian mathematical convention is categorically not going to explain how the brilliantly intelligent design and complex specified information written on genomes came to be there. These mathematical tools in physics are generally used to solve problems that either are too laborious using Newtonian physics or are at the sub-atomic scale whereby quantum mechanics requires a different approach to attempt to solve a problem. Particle properties and interactions at a sub-atomic scale are clearly not going to provide any survivability or reproductive benefit to a life form

.

You are sadly mistaken if you expect me to believe that evolution:-

1.) is a real phenomenon that created all the diversity of life on this planet.

2.) was guided by a man-made mathematical tool used in physics in closed systems for energy calculations.

It also appears that you have not understood that evolution is a fallacy, a massive hoax that continues to be pushed at every opportunity onto our children in the majority of educational institutions around the world, but thankfully this is slowly changing as people realise the paucity of supporting evidence and the well-executed rigorous scientific research in many fields that refutes evolution outright by proving it to be impossible at every level.

All the best,

Burrawang

In keeping with being current, another short but interesting and relevant article can be found at:- https://creation.com/richter-lifetime-achievement that is titled: - “Henry Richter receives Lifetime Achievement Award” by CMI staff and published last Tuesday, 28 January 2020 (GMT + 10) that is also pasted below in blue italics: -

Dr Henry Richter, who has previously been interviewed for Creationmagazine and is the author of Spacecraft Earth, is one of the most accomplished living creation scientists. He worked for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), which was later incorporated into NASA. He helped to develop America’s first satellite, Explorer I.

Dr Richter was given the Radio Club of America Lifetime Achievement award at the 110thbanquet of the Club at the Weston Times Square on November 23, 2019. He was able to make some remarks at the banquet. Dr. Richter wanted to use the opportunity to not only thank the Club for the award and tell his life story, but also to give his Christian testimony. But he only had three minutes in which to do so! But Dr Richter rose to the challenge, and gave us permission to republish his comments below.

I want to thank the radio club and all you folks for the honour of awarding me the lifetime activity award. This came totally unexpectedly and I’m afraid I was somewhat blown away when I received the notice.

I want to acknowledge ham radio and the role it played in leading me into a lifetime of technology. I became interested in ham radio when in the fifth grade. My parents were art teachers at poly high school in Long Beach California. When they taught summer school they needed a place to park me, and so when I was in the fifth grade they made arrangements for me to sit in on the high school ham radio course. And in the prior summer, they made arrangements for me to take the high school chemistry course. The summer after that the chemistry teacher asked me to be the lab assistant for the course. I imagine it was somewhat disconcerting to high school students that have a young squirt handling the stockroom and passing out chemicals and glassware.

I was privileged to work with two Nobel Prize scientists. First was Dr. Linus Pauling. I was an instructor in his freshman chemistry course at Caltech. He later served as the chairman of my final doctoral orals committee. A few years later I worked for Dr. Willard Libby who invited me to be on his staff in the Institute for Geophysics at UCLA.

But let me switch to something which I think is more important to say to you folks. (I intended to say “this is something I said to the JPL staff when they invited me to speak last year at the 60th anniversary of the Explorer 1 launch”—but I forgot to do it). As a scientist, I became fascinated with this marvelous universe in which we exist. Even more so, this remarkable spacecraft on which we ride on which contains all the features and substances required to allow human life to exist. I believe this is unique in the universe. And then of course there are these marvelous bodies that we have been given. We have a brain consisting of more than 100 billion neurons which are all wired together electrically. This could not have come together accidentally by random events.

To me as an engineer, this all shows an elaborate design. And when I use the word design, that demands a designer. Who can design all this but God Himself? I always believed in the existence of God—somewhere. I was halfway through my life before I found out this being we call God didn’t just exist somewhere in the cosmos but was very personal. In fact, He was desirous of a relationship with me and everybody else. So what did he do? He came to this earth 2000 years ago in the body of Jesus Christ to offer a relationship with mankind. I accepted that offer, which I found made me a Christian. At that point my life changed and since then I’ve had a life of peace, joy and purpose.

I don’t know how many of you in this audience also have made that wonderful discovery of a relationship. If you have, I commend you for it. If not and if this sounds strange to you, do yourself a favour and investigate it for yourself.

Once more I deeply appreciate this honour you’ve given me tonight. God bless you all.

Windar12q Hi windar12q, we will have to agree to disagree on the points that you have made in your post.

I don’t recall ever admitting that God cannot be demonstrated. What I did say was, “the decision whether to believe God exists or not is not a matter for science but rather it is a deeply personal decision, a matter of your heart and conscience.” This is about a person’s freewill choice to believe in God or be an atheist, but it does not therefore follow that we cannot use science to see whether the world around us is consistent with Biblical history, which I must add it clearly is!

Do you not remember that I have given many examples of clear cut evidence for the existence of God; a good example that immediately comes to mind is the complex specified information written on the genomes of all living things that by definition absolutely requires a super intelligent author. If you believe that chance (in the form of random mutations) and “deep time” can write the complex specified information on the genomes of all living things, then you are sadly mistaken. Eons of time and random mutations are not able to write coded complex specified information. A poor but nonetheless suitable comparison would be to say that a flock of pigeons walked around on a laptop keyboard and wrote the entire works of Shakespeare including punctuation etc. but that poor comparison pales when compared to the overlaying of complexity at so many levels of irreducibly complex specified information written on genomes which is many, many, many orders of magnitude greater in complexity. What is observed today in the laboratory, is a continuing reduction in complex specified information in genomes, the organisms are “devolving” if I can coin a word; i.e. complex specified information is being lost across the board; any very rare beneficial mutations are simply ineffective against the inexorable onslaught of deterioration of complex specified information on the genome. All life is heading for a crash at some point in the future when the mutational load, corruption of the complex specified information reaches a point that prevents species from continuing to be able to reproduce and survive in the world. This fact therefore means that if you head back through time the genomes of all living things were less damaged, containing a greater amount of complex specified information than they contain today. This powerfully supports the Biblical account! Indeed when God created life He said, “it was very good.” and so it would have been back then, there would have been no sickness, no deterioration and no death!

Genesis 1: 24 – 30

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I must point out that it takes a stupendously enormous amount of faith to believe that the complex specified information written on genomes wrote itself without an intelligent author.

The critical point that you appear to be missing is that evolutionary atheists on the whole exercise faith in their strongly held beliefs, though some would not be aware of this fact. Some examples of the faith that I am referring to are: -

a.) Faith that evolution is how all the forms of life originated on earth.

b.) Faith that the big bang is how the universe formed.

c.) Faith that radiometric dating methods are an accurate way of determining the age of samples.

d.) Ultimately, faith that there is no God.

If you feel that there is a difference between having faith in God and the above four points a.) to d.), I would be interested hear what you believe the difference is.

Regarding the question that you have posited: -

“why do you accept that which cannot be demonstrated, instead of that which can?”

Well first of all I reject the premise embedded in your question. Evidence that is demonstrable and highly consistent with the Bible can be found in many different disciplines including geology, biology, physics, nuclear physics, medicine, archaeology, palaeontology, history, cosmology etc. etc.

Secondly, if you look at the first three of the four points above, a.) to c.) you will see that: -

“that which can”

in truth actually can’t, although you will no doubt disagree, the fact is that these three points totally rely on untestable, unverifiable assumptions, guesswork and wishful thinking to prop up their religiously held existence in many parts of the current secular science community!

It is a demonstrable fact that a considerable amount of faith, guesswork, assumption and wishful thinking are utilised to prop these atheist icons up without which they would have been thrown out long ago.

On a more current note, you may find it informative to read an article published yesterday, 29th January 2020 at https://creation.com/lycklama-nuclear-physicist that is titled “Nuclear physicist for creation!”

I hope the weather warms up in your part of the world!

All the best,

Burrawang

windar12q, Ultimately windar12q, the decision whether to believe God exists or not is not a matter for science but rather it is a deeply personal decision, a matter of your heart and conscience.

I sincerely hope that you discover God for yourself.

He is ever faithful and true!

Kind Regards,

Burrawang

Windar12q, regarding Mars, an appeal to conjecture or supposition about a flood that may have occurred on Mars is not in any way supporting evidence for or against a flood occurring here on Earth.

The data and references that I have cited refer to the overwhelming body of evidence that a global flood has occurred here on Earth, and furthermore the evidence supports the historical reality of the great global flood of Noah’s day that is specifically recorded in the Bible.

To imbue some degree of credibility to your statements, relevant, rational evidence is needed that you assert supports a cogent argument that you are hopefully making!

I have done a little research on Mars. All I have found is evidence of some erosional features and small traces of water present on Mars, but this is hardly evidence to defend your statement “burrawang did the same thing as you when he tried to defend the flood with made up rhetoric, that was not very well thought out. His reasoning for the flood was all wrong”

Again, if you are going to insist on making brash statements such as the one quoted above, then it is imperative you cite real and relevant evidence that support each statement you are making? Unfortunately, you continue to not do that.

Again, what is this question that you say I have not answered???

Again, what is this equation that you refer to regarding the fine tuning of our solar system???

When you let me know the answer to these two straightforward questions, I'll endeavour to provide you with supported and referenced answers.

Regards,

Burrawang

In regard to the "The Goodness of God: The Bible and the Problem of Evil" it is most worthwhile to fully understand who Jesus is; in the following Epistle of Paul to the Church in Colossae, Paul confirms that Jesus is the Creator of all things "and in Him all things hold together" and that Jesus has reconciled all things to Himself by the blood of His cross through which we are forgiven our numerous sins and underlying sinful nature.

Colosians 1 : 15-23

The Preeminence of Christ

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

windar12q With sincere respect windar12q, you do make a lot of unsubstantiated and evidently false accusations against those who don’t agree with your beliefs.

You claim in your own words, “burrawang did the same thing as you when he tried to defend the flood with made up rhetoric, that was not very well thought out. His reasoning for the flood was all wrong” yet, as is your usual practice you do not provide any supporting evidence whatsoever for your demonstrably false statements.

I refute your statement that I made up “rhetoric” to defend the flood. If you truly believe the above statement of yours then it would be informative to hear from you what evidence you believe supports it!

Although, it was not from this post, you appear to have a problem with the global geographic extent of vast sedimentary sheets of the Earth’s surface crustal rocks that undeniably exist on continental scales across the entire globe including under the oceans and Antarctica. The existence of this massive geographic extent and depth of this global sedimentary layer is most logically explained by mass sediment transport and deposition from a global catastrophic flood. Repeatable flume tank research into the characteristics of high volume water transported, sorted and deposited sediments that create formations of sedimentary layers strongly support this view. I suggest that it is no coincidence that the historical account that we read in Genesis supports this view 100% and explains the origin of the continental scale, global sedimentary layers.

You would be very well advised to read, the article at this link: - https://creation.com/age-of-the-earth particularly the section titled, “Geological evidence for a y