Hello Jonathon, good to hear from you. I am keeping well, and hope you are the same. My arguments come from knowing the harm that religion does with its indemonstrable claims. As you know, I only debate that which can be demonstrated, which is the reason for my writing demise. Without being derogatory, because that is not my intension I will try to elaborate on what I have said before. Dr Donald Hoffman discovered the reason for Australia's jewel beetle's decline was because the male beetle could not tell the difference between a beer bottle and a female, they were both shiny, brown and dimpled. From this he learned that all life bears the same trait - we do not see accurately! The debate is a good example of this happening. Whenever a quote comes from the Bible, it is a claim and claims have to be justified, otherwise we are doing the same as the beetle and with the same negative result. I will give you an example that can be demonstrated. A protozoan, a man, a star and the universe are one energy systems. Logic dictates that evolution is a one energy system - this explains all the 'supernatural' and the balance in nature. There is no reason to bring in a God! Ghosts along with others, can be explained in simple terms, once you know how a one energy system works. To explain anything with clarity, you need the evidence to back it up and you need to understand the objective. Consider energy, mass is energy, mass and energy are the same, just different frames of preference. A star is a one energy system with hydrogen converting into helium forming a nuclear pressure that keeps the star from collapsing. The energy of a star does fluctuate to allow its function. To work fully and having a function, means it has to have a limit to complete its function. We see the limit being kept with the explosions we call solar flares, These flares contain photons and electromagnetic force. This is what you would expect from a star! Evolution is a biological energy system with life fluctuating to allow its function - it's called the balance in nature. Evolution being a one energy system, the same objective dictates the same pattern that is dictated throughout the universe. Each energy system is self serving. Ghosts being pockets of energy are our solar flares. This is what you would expect from a biological energy system! Flares come over in the prescriptive dictates of the energy it represents. Knowing that the law of physics can explain everything, you must understand why I find it hard to debate against a book of claims that cannot be justified? Keep well

It was Einstein who described 'all is energy'! It's about neurons, electrons and the eye's ability to construct. It's how we construct, which gives us this diversity of ideas. It's how intelligent life progresses. Australia's jewel beetle was becoming extinct and they found the reason was; beer bottles being thrown away in the Outback were the same colour as the female beetle. Both were brown, shiny and dimpled. The male beetle couldn't tell the difference. As you go higher up the evolutionary scale the same trait applies, but in a more sophisticated way. By describing such things as demons without the evidence to back it up, is you doing the same thing as the beetle. Which is not a bad thing for the progress of intelligence. It's only by this method will we ever learn. Keep safe Awesome-Christian.

Hello Awesome - Christian, Thank you for your reply. I believe you are sincere in your beliefs, but the way you interpret an event is based on faith and not logic. In my world HATE is a positive emotion; it allows life to protect its young from predators. Without this emotion there could be no life as we know it. Hate only becomes negative when used in a negative way. Many of these negative ways are profound in the Bible. (Slavery being one of many). A star, a man, an insect and even the universe are one energy systems. An energy system contains enough energy which is proportional to its function. Logic dictates that evolution is also a one energy system, which keeps the balance in nature. This is the way a one energy system works - a star keeps it nuclear pressure by converting hydrogen into helium. When the pressure gets too great, it will relieve that pressure by emitting flares. These flares are made of photons and electromagnetic - force. This is what you would expect from a star. Evolution is a biological energy, but must obey the same laws of physics and when ghosts are reported, they are the flares from a biological energy, (evolution); what else would you expect from a biological energy but 'ghosts'? I can demonstrate 'ghosts' by using the laws of physics, but I can't do the same with Demons. The question I would ask is; why would anyone choose that which cannot be demonstrated, to something that can?

Hello ekrause. Can't you see the futility in making decisions based on faith alone? Where can it lead us, except to a place we would not survive in. Would you really like to be the someone that religion teaches - a person with no free will and if there was free will it would be an extension of the life we already know; the life that you think will be better serving a God that denies giving the evidence, to prove himself? I don't see what your God has to offer. The mysteries thrown our way by science are much more exciting and worthy of our attention - it is forever opening new doors to test our ability and feed our knowledge. In your supposed Heaven you would just stagnate, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Religion makes the most amazing boasts, but has no substance to its claims. We can go on forever making claims that don't hold up to scrutiny. We can make up any story we like to fit with what we don't understand, but that is the dreamer's way out, it's akin to the tales of The Arabian Nights, unless you can demonstrate it to be true. There are two more books of Hawking's 'A Brief History of Time' and 'The Grand Design' they may help you to understand more about the our world, plus the universe beyond and time in particular. I find it very hard to get my head around time; it's lurking in almost everything we do or say and also in the cosmetic mayhem that is not really mayhem; it is all about time. How could anything exist before time, even a God - the mind boggles. If there was no time, then that God would have no purpose, so God could not have created the universe, it could have only happened another way. - it is only time that allows us to have purpose. This is what it would be like in the Heaven described in the Bible, there is no purpose in that Heaven. (Time would be meaningless). The purpose of living in complete harmony may sound promising in theory, but would be disaster in practice. Don't go there! If your God had purpose, why did he wait over 13 billion years to achieve that purpose? An omnipotent and omnificent God could have created intelligent life in an instant and would have done so if he had needed some purpose for his existence. What purpose could he have had before he created the universe when there was no time? Only a natural beginning to the universe fits everything we know. A conscious entity could not function before that. I will never understand why people choose to believe in something that cannot be demonstrated to something that can. Though we cannot show how the universe began, the evidence is stacking up on the scientific side. Keep safe ekrause.

Good! I find a good way to describe quantum physics as follows - if you take a billiard table full of balls and you know their position and momentum, ( mass times velocity) of each ball at some time, then you know all there is to know with the system at that time. With quantum physics this is not known. It's so easy to see why relativity and quantum physics appear to be incompatible, but in reality they can't be, they have to be compatible or it makes no sense. Can you see how exhilarating, the search to find the solution - what wonders are out there waiting to be discovered? According to the principles of quantum physics, which is an accurate description of nature, a particle has neither a definite position nor a definite velocity until these quantities are measured by an observer. Therefore it is not correct when a measurement is stated, the measurement only applies at the time of measuring. It's sounds like a crazy mixed up world, but where would we be without these wonderful conundrums, they are blessings in disguise and we mustn't waste them, because we do so at a cost and that is why the mind must be allowed to wander free from indoctrination. The future of life may be rosier than anything religion offers, but we will never find our Shangri-la, because a closed mind can only lead to a closed place, a place with no way out. Our subconscious and consciousness works in the same way as the attributes of quantum and relativity, they too appear to be incompatible, but the trade marks are there for all to see. Dreams are an accurate description of nature, in the same way as quantum physics, they are not from God,as stated in the Bible. Dreams also can only be measured has they happen to the observer, and only the observer can give a measurement. How do we find the observer? The only way I can find an answer to this is if we conceive that life is a one energy system. Then the observer becomes us. I am 100% sure, that when we find the correlation between Q and E we will be on the next step into a world that can only be accessed up till now, in our wildest imagination. Enjoy your read ekrause and stay safe.

It does touch on religion, but that is not the main object of the book, it's the part that relates to quantum physics which suggests that a super power is not likely and not needed.

Hello ekruase, the best Stephen Hawking's book if you want an argument against God is Brief Answers to the Big Questions, but what I would like to know is, what made you choose that one? Good choice. Look up quantum mechanics before you read the book, it will give you some insight into the reason why a God is not needed. Like I pointed out in my last post - the pattern of energy is constant and not even a God can change it; otherwise he would have changed it by now. We wouldn't be arguing over the what is right and what is wrong, we would know. The energy of a system, including the sum of kinetic energies, is proportional to its function. This also must apply in the case of quantum physics and Einstein's theory of relativity; the two appear not to be compatible, yet they must be. Whenever there is a problem, there has to be an answer, the one justifies the other. Think of the excitement of eventually coming up with the answer - Eureka! This is what religion stops you from experiencing, the euphoria moment that only knowing the truth can bring. When you think of the buzz that religion brings, it is nothing compared to a demonstrable truth. You won't have to change the facts to back up that which you have no evidence for, your mind will be set free. Finally ekrause, think about this debate and the reasons for it; we are following the dictates according to the laws of nature - we are differing in order to evolve our intelligence. We are all part of evolution, which adheres to the pattern that is set and no one or no God can change that. The energy that drives us forward is also indestructible. Commenting on Romans 3;3- 4. I am not judging you, I am judging your religion and the chains that bind your thinking. What Romans is ordering you to do is don't think for yourself. Goodnight, I am off to bed now. Keep safe.

Hello ekrause, you have got it spot on, we do as individuals see the world differently, but - there's always a but - we even see differently if we are all in the same bubble. Religious people worshipping the same God still have their differences and that is why there are thousands and thousands of different beliefs. These differences are noticeable in the Bible where many of the stories contradict one another - the four gospels are a perfect example. These differences play an important part in our evolving and it is not just religion, the diversity happens in all walks of life. An intelligent species could not evolve without these differences, we need to bounce off one another to feed that intelligence. I know you won't go along with what I say, but just stop for awhile and think what it would be like if everyone agreed with each other - read the Stepford Wives and you will get a pretty good idea. It doesn't matter whether you are an atheist, Christian or a football player competing against others, we are all dictated to by the laws of nature; you can't get away from the logic of intelligent evolving. We need to differ! You are familiar with Einstein's theory of relativity; Mass + energy = 0. All is energy. Our consciousness and subconscious are pure energy and are part of a one energy system. Every individual is a one energy system, even down to its micro existence. A star is the same and so is the universe, all are a one energy system supported by individual energy systems. Evolution as I have explained by its diversity is also a one energy system supported by many other one energy systems. (The Species) This pattern of energy is constant and cannot be changed - bringing in the supernatural to explain the natural is a case of not seeing accurately. We are all on the same side, we are doing what evolution has designed us to do ( differ) it's time to make a pact. You ask if I can suggest any good books, and I hesitate because one man's meat is another man's poison. From school age to when I got married I covered a lot of what were good books to me at that time, I read all Edgar Rice Borough's Tarzan novels, I read all Smith's Biggles stories, along with Tom Sawyer, some Shakespeare which I never liked and still don't , his sonnets were not the surge of expectation that I expected, it left me with a feeling that Will was capable of a little cheating. Apart from the Bible the only supernatural story I have ever read was Bram Stoker's Dracula which I found to be excellent in its orderly dictation of a very complicated format. I did try Shelly's Frankenstein, but found it lacking and gave up. At the age of 25 I got married and except for a newspaper I never read another book until after my wife died, some 50 years later. By this time I was nearly 80 years old and my reading had changed, I wanted to find out what life was all about. This changed my choice of books, I was reading Richard Dawkins 'The Selfish Gene' and The Blind Watchman, along with Stephen Hawkins' A Brief History of Time, plus The Grand Design and I have just finished reading his last book Brief Answers to the Big Questions. I have just read Dracula once more and a few Tarzan stories, trying to capture a bit of nostalgia, but my periods of relaxation now, is cuddling in front of the fire with something more substantial. Keep well and keep safe ekrause.

Hello everyone, I hope you are keeping well. I have something I would like you to think over and maybe give you some perspective that will give hope without the baggage allotted by religion. I have gone over it in the past and have explained that all life cannot see accurately. (This is scientifically proven). When we come up against something that we can't explain; religion votes for the supernatural and science tries to explain. Not seeing accurately has taken man down many strange paths, leading to myths, magic and maybe religion, just to name three likely false innovations - we can never say for certain unless we have investigated properly and been able to demonstrate, which has never been done. Let us take the demise of the dinosaur and how it allowed the most vulnerable and the more intelligent species to survive. It does not just concern dinosaurs, it is shown in other species that came after their demise. The crocodile, shark. bears, elephants and many more have succumbed to a more manageable size, allowing intelligence to be freed and gain the advantage. Which led eventually to us. The dinosaur's demise is put down to a meteor strike, but is that true? Looking at the evidence of life's other species scaling down makes me wonder - are we seeing accurately? Is it designed to work this way? Consciousness is often used in defence of the soul, but then again our consciousness comes from neuron activity in the brain which orders the trillions of synapses to tell the the eye to construct what it is seeing. It is during this construction where not seeing accurately brings forth a magnitude of false and true predictions - the dichotomy of mental equations that may be prescriptive or just descriptive. Not seeing accurately puts us in a no man's land of guessing which side we belong to. Once we have chosen which path to take, if it is the wrong path then everything we do afterwards will be wrong. Does life have a purpose without religion? Perhaps. The subconscious works 24/7 and in the greater scheme of things it appears the most important. The consciousness feeds the subconscious and is the subconscious using this to guide a 'not seeing accurately' species down the right path, the path to more intelligence? I have explained why I think that life is a one energy system and if this is so and I have evidence to back this up, then what is evolving could be our consciousness and all the rest is the cogs of evolution taking us to a journey of discovery that staggers the imagination and we have the privilege of being part of it. Happy New Year

Hi Burrawang, You have got me and many atheists wrong saying we ignore the evidence - the opposite is the case. It is those of faith that do that - remember the sedimentary strata. Let's take a closer look at the evidence of dinosaur DNA. First of all there was no soft tissue found -your first wrong assumption. There is also much controversy over what biomolecules were inside the dinosaur bones. It is most possible it could be from the lineages of bacteria and other microorganisms. That has always been the pattern of fossilization. This is not the first time that religion has twisted the facts - there is no positive proof of what you claim and even if you was right, that would just mean there was another way of preserving DNA over tens of millions of years, that we have still to find. What you do is jump to the conclusion that it was done by some supernatural power, which you have no chance of proving? Can't you see how religion is stopping you from thinking? Could you go through life ignoring all the evidence that surrounds you - of course you couldn't, then why do you do this with the supernatural? You think an afterlife is Heaven, but if you think of the mutations and their source - life is a one energy system, then everything comes from us. (Energy is self serving) Because you have stopped thinking you are slowing down the progress of a man-made Heaven. We have to harness this energy, not worship it. My anger at religion stems from the centuries of suppression endured because of an assumption without any thought attached. I anger at the thought of how far we would have come without this suppression. You have to back up your claims with evidence, but this will never happen, because religion has stopped you from thinking. We are an intelligent species and to stop that intelligence from maturing would mean the end of intelligence. Please listen to logic. Regards

I agree SMS those of religion have done a lot of good, but good can be done whether you are religious or atheist - the human spirit will always come to the fore. I can't agree with you about two kinds of people - there is only one race and that is the human race.- one world, one race. The one energy system would also explain the subconscious and why we sleep and why we dream - it's almost the complete picture of life.

Thank you for your thoughts SMS, but I have no fear of dying - dying is like living, it's the circle of life, I unlike you, don't understand the need to go on living after death. I much prefer living in a world I can try to improve, than wait for salvation in another. That to me is a shallow kind of escape, one that I reject completely. By improving our world, we might make some surprising new discoveries and perhaps our understanding will ease the need for a God. Here are three theories to test observation. Two backed up by scientific fact. 1 All things are created by God, No demonstrable evidence, just faith. (The Bible is not demonstrable evidence.) 2 Empirical science with the premise that life began with a one celled life-form and mutated to the present state. This does not explain the supernatural element that seems to exist within evolution. 3 A one energy system that abides by empirical science and can explain evolution by connection - can explain most of the supernatural and can explain the balance in nature. Best Regards SMS, I know you mean well.

Hello SMS, I don't believe all people including yourself are bad, my objection is to the damage done by religion in any form - it destroys individuals, families , countries and influences cruelty around the world. OK it does some good, but you don't need religion to do good. This is not a personnel attack on you and others of faith. With respect, Burrawang, you don't seem to be familiar with Einstein's theory of relativity, mass is energy. It is not just me wiggling my thoughts willy nilly, I ask you to think of what everything is made of and then you will understand. As for your last request, it reminds me of Pascal's Wager. I can't live my life bowing down to energy - energy is not to be worshipped, it is to be nurtured and used for our benefit. How do you know what you are missing if you don't embrace the truth - you might be pleasantly surprised. I understand your devotion to faith, but believe me, faith can so easily lead you down the wrong path. Keep well SMS, Burrawang

You are wrong, energy is based on empirical science - the total energy of a system, which includes the sum of kinetic energies, is proportional to its potential energy function. This is the reason that all life has not reached the same level of intelligence, if this happened, intelligent life could not exist. It is the pattern of energy that keeps the universe and all within it from collapsing altogether. 2nd law of thermodynamics dictates entropy of an isolated system can never decrease, but this does not mean it cannot change. The fact is that mutations are part of this energy and are acting in accordance with the laws of physics, which help to keep a balance in nature. You have got to stop looking at the diversity of life, it is an isolated energy system that is proportional to its function. Sorry I can't agree, but take care.

Thank you Burrawang, I did manage to get on to it eventually, but it kept freezing until finally it came to a complete standstill. I had to shut down and restart. However I did hear enough to make me hesitate before resuming. If you start with the wrong premise, the rest of what you try to illustrate will also be wrong, let me explain. The scale of evolution as described is wrong if you look at it as a development of species - it's a development of intelligence or energy. Intelligence is energy of the highest quality and needs the room to expand. Room as in energy and not space. The dinosaur's demise is questionable, but its reign of terror is quite imaginable. If intelligence was the premise, then the demise of the dinosaur was inevitable and we see this decline carrying on even after the dinosaur's decline. Then followed Science = evolution. Religion also = evolution. The reason there are thousands of different religions is because of the differences with intellect; that is how an intelligent species react to one another; it gives purpose. This is energy being used in the same way that evolution works. Perhaps one day we will come to realise this and the sooner the better. The lady narrator thinks that religion is evidence and evolution is wrong - I have mentioned before that mass + energy = 0 and evolution is mass and mass is energy. What she is really saying, but hasn't got a clue, is that energy is false. How can energy be false? Can you see the futility of trying to explain when you start with the wrong premise? The micro and macro evolution seems to complicate the reasoning of those who start with the wrong premise and no wonder. Instead of saying they don't know, so God must have done it, why don't they say, I don't know so I am going to find out? I will help them - what they are considering is a one energy system with the same pattern as all energy systems - being a biological energy does not complicate the pattern. Thanks again Burrawang, I did find it interesting. I might try to see the rest of it later.

Thank you Burrawang. I have tried, but I could not engage, so I only have what you described in your letter. 1st point is genetic entropy. If life is a one energy system and all the evidence suggests this, then the entropy of an isolated system can never decrease, but it can become stable in parts. ( Thermodynamic - Equilibrium) Fact! 2nd point is I am not a convert of Dawkins or Darwin when distinguishing the pattern of evolution. It is not random, it is by design, but a natural design of that produced by energy. There is no need for a God. The deterioration your scientists see in the genome is the pattern set by a universal code of physics. Evolution = energy; energy cannot be false and so evolution cannot be false. I am not moving the goal posts, I am doing what science does, trying to be logical. I can demonstrate energy, but religion cannot demonstrate God. Mass + energy = 0. This is the pattern of energy. A star converts hydrogen into helium, processing a nuclear pressure that stops the star from collapsing under the force of gravity. The fluctuations are necessary for stability and the same pattern applies to any one energy system, even to one individual human being - we are individual one energy systems. The deterioration that your scientists see is a normal process and doesn't affect the pattern of energy, in fact, it is the other way around -it complements it. Sorry I can't agree, but take care.

Hello ekrause1406 No I didn't watch it, the time it was aired was too early. I am now turned 87 and need my beauty sleep more than ever. DNA can be traced to the beginning of all life and not just Adam and Eve. When you mention harmful mutations - what mutations are you thinking of? Individual mutations can be harmful, but there has never been a harmful mutated species. It's called a balance in nature. Stars are one energy systems and so are galaxies, black holes, solar systems, a species and also an individual within that species. No system can work oblivious of the function of that system and exceed its limit. Evolution, which evidence is telling us, is a one energy system, will explain the alleles and also the eukaryotic cells are instructed by a natural source to keep the balance and also determines the heterozygous outcome. The genome is subjective to the objective and so is everything else. The heterozygous individuals you mention as a possible reason for diversity is partly correct, but the reason for the diversity springs from a source we have yet to discover. The source comes from way back, before Adam and Eve were invented. By using this as an explanation for diversity is implying it was done by some divine power; that's an excuse when you don't know. 'Don't know' is not in my vocabulary. 'I don't know, so I will try to find the answer.' is what I use. If there is a problem, then there as to be an answer, the one justifies the other. By an answer, I mean a demonstrable one. Can you imagine where we would be if that attitude was adhered to by science - we would still be living in caves. And finally ekrause, if we were omniscient like your God, we would have nothing to live for, knowing everything, is a curse. This is the reason there is no God and no Heaven, both would be a curse unto themselves. If all life reached the same level of intellect that too would be a curse - a one energy system stops that from happening. Consider yourself, you are a one energy system - if all life reached the same level of intelligence, what would there be to do? Keep well ekrause. -

I know how much your faith means to you, but if what you believe is not true then you are wasting what could be a very much more constructive life. I had a dream in June 2012 which I had recorded (I am able to send a copy to you if ever I master the technique) I find new technology demanding at the age of 87. The dream was of a snow fall in midsummer and I even predicted the day it would happen - which proves we are connected to the elements. Mass is energy, so mass + energy = 0. We are connected to everything and everyone. There was a four inches fall of snow, and the temperature at the time was in the twenties. I predicted this nine days before it happened. All the evidence points to the first life-form being a dormant one and to survive that life would have had a selective instinct which connected to the elements. (Today we see these selective instincts in migration and hibernation; which are gathered collectively) My dream points not to the future, but to the present; the remnants that allowed life to sustain on its way along the evolutionary path, are still there. If you are wondering why we all don't have these dreams, the answer is we do. In our conscious world we can see and measure ability, but in the subconscious world we can't see or measure ability. I guess I got lucky. Ghosts also belong to the energy that drives evolution - the total energy of a system, which includes the sum of kinetic energies is proportional to its potential energy function. Is evolution just a one energy system with all its kinetic energies doing what energy does? Energy is not always stable, its fluctuation is needed to keep its balance; we see this in a normal star which has hydrogen forming into helium allowing its nuclear pressure to keep it stable against the forces of gravity, but occasionally it has to send out solar flares which help its stability. If life is a one energy system then ghosts are the result of its stability, (solar flares) they are pockets of energy and the reason we see them as ghosts is because we are a biological energy system - the pattern of energy is universal. You mention the genome and the magical powers that rule, but what you are not seeing is a one energy system that is dictated to by its own needs -there is no need for a God. It is so easy to mistake a trick of nature and call it supernatural, but that gets us nowhere, only going backwards. I think its time we should start to move forward. There are 210 dreams in the Bible and perhaps you can now understand why they were thought to be the words of God? Regards

Hello burrawang, good to hear from you. Thank you for your recommended look into evolution, but even from the introduction I noticed one big error - DNA mutations are not speeding up to the extent that it cannot explain the evolution of life. We are a biological species driven by an electrically charged energy system. The speed of the mutations may occur due to its necessity at a specific time. You can't get away with directing today's speeds with that of billions of years of mutations. We are more intelligent today which means the electrical force correlating with the biological tendencies determine the speed. More intelligence, more speed. Religion has been the main cause for slowing down mutations, by suppressing intelligence. Hope you are keeping well.

If it was true, which I doubt, it still doesn't prove the existence of God - it just means science got it wrong. Jay Wile is referring to the work of Mary H Schweitzer and her colleagues. She also made the same claims in 1993, which was disputed when the soft tissue was found to be the same as in frogs, chickens, newts and many other animals. Her 'office' on the site was discovered to be like a holy shrine of worship, which didn't do much to help her claim. Can you really expect anyone to take her word seriously? Religion is to blame for many misleading principles and this debate is an example of this. I have written twice to Dr Wile and each time my letters have disappeared. You can make anything true in your own mind if you dismiss all that which attacks your ideas. You can make fairies true, or dragons and Harry Potter, if you dismiss all the evidence that disputes it. You mention Noah's flood and I have already discussed this with the same results; you don't associate things to God just because you have no other explanation, unless you can demonstrate it. The sedimentary strata found on Earth is also found on Mars and is attributed to water and erosion, there is no need for a God. I don't believe there is any mention in the Bible about the flood on Mars? When the Bible was written, they didn't know about Mars, all they knew was that heaven was somewhere up there.